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Giordano
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« on: May 19, 2009, 08:08:16 PM »

Hey there!  Well, Neithercorp's first film endeavor, "Sons Of Darkness, Sons Of Light", has now been officially released!  Better late than never as they say.  Go to our MEDIA section and check out the first episode on Collectivism, then come back here and let us know what you think.  Any questions or comments?  AgentOgden and I are here to help and discuss!

Watch the High-Res version here:

http://neithercorp.us/media


For those of you with older computers or slower connections, watch the You Tube version here:

http://www.youtube.com/neithercorp




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stitcherman
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 07:34:49 AM »

Fantastic work !
 Thank you for allowing me to realize the concept of collectivism in this matrix that has been built for humanity.
 Kinda the exploitation of nature in a sense?
 Sure is right there how we are tought from birth that we are not whole , but  can only be made whole within the matrix.
 What are you ?
 A doctor
 A carpenter
 A cop
Etc.
 That that is what you are?
 I think not.
 If a human looks at himself within the collectivism matrix of who and what he or she is. Then fear and human turmoil shall rise up.
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Giordano
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 03:19:12 PM »

You hit the nail on the head, stitcherman!  You caught on to the root of the film very quickly.  It is as if they are using our very fundamental nature against us.  We really have to look at the foundation of the human psyche, because that is where we are most vulnerable to suggestion.  People who know themselves are impervious to Archetypal Manipulation, and they have a tendency to catch on very quickly to shifts in politics and society.  Becoming a true individual is, in a sense, just like breaking free from "the matrix".  Thanks for watching our first episode.  Hopefully, we can get the next one out quickly.   
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CatNutz
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 03:20:34 PM »

Brilliant work! I am sending a link to all....
Put it up on the Green Dragon! Need the inspiration there
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2009, 02:19:40 PM »

Burnout Warcry told me of yinz guys' site a few months back and I'm finally investigating.  Like what I see so far, layout- (love the sidebar sigils and design generally, though these smileys are freakin' distracting... must you encourage peoples' idiocy by even making them available?  Can't to figure out how to hide them while I'm typing, but perhaps that's my own idiocy) and content-wise.  The first part of your documentary is very focused, well-edited and delightfully-soundtracked, all-around impressive, except the linguistics stuff is misleadingly oversimplified.  I studied this shit at Pitt and had my fill of Chomsky during that time.  In any case, look into the work of Daniel L. Everett pertaining to the Piraha culture and language, which lacks many categories and features (principally recursion) Chomsky maintains are defining characteristics of natural language.  Everett's work does not contradict the thesis of your film (this part anyway), nor does Chomsky's necessarily support it.  That aside, well done indeed!   
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Giordano
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2009, 08:52:20 PM »

Thanks!  Burnout Warcry is one of our favorite people here at Neithercorp!

Chomsky's work (by itself) definitely does not support our thesis.  We see it as a piece of the puzzle.  The fact that linguistic structures are inherent at all in the human psyche is startling though for those who study Archetypes.  When Generative linguistics is combined with archetypal psychology, and inherent mathematics, a picture begins to form of the inner man that defies all "rational" observation.  The point being, we have a lot to learn still about the human mind, and the human heart, and that learning process may travel outside the limits of axiomatic logic, which we will discuss in the next episode of this film series.  One has only to look at Kurt Godel's Incompleteness Proof, and Quantum Physics, to see that there is something huge going on in the universe, and that something follows a distinct pattern. 

Also, we try not to take 'everything' too seriously here at Neithercorp, thus, smiley faces.............. 771     
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2009, 01:06:49 PM »

Giordano (Bruno, I presume?),

Amen to all that.  I ain't sayin' there are no 'inherent linguistic structures' in the human psyche, just that, if there are, we don't know what they are.  Chomsky's model is... a model, fraught with internal inconsistencies and belied by data from Piraha and other anomalous tongues (what you'd expect, given the dude pretty much never emerges from his fortress of tree diagrams to conduct actual field work with living languages).  Linguistics is still a very young field; that it has been so long dominated by Chomsky speaks more to the 20th century (a)scientific proclivity to value the map above the territory than to the soundness and applicability of his work.  As with language, so with politics.  Shouldn't surprise anyone who's read Orwell that the author of Manufacturing Consent consistently plugs the official 9/11 & JFK assassination narratives while dismissing all competing ones as conspiracy theories, then is all like, "And in the unlikely event that they are conspiracies, who cares?"  Just irks me when folks who otherwise have a clue What's Up cite Chomsky as an authority on anything (he'd be a good addition to your 'Disinfo List', though).  On the other hand, I am admittedly bitter from having to fill notebook upon notebook with those goddamn tree structures...   1930
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Giordano
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2009, 01:21:12 PM »

That is the exact reason why we used Chomsky in the first place.  As we say in the film, he is a victim of his own extreme rationalism, however, he somehow has STILL been able to admit to inherent linguistic qualities, which yet have no logical explanation.  We found that to be extremely interesting, especially since "blank slaters" are so fond of the axiomatic method.  Its sort of fun to turn one of their own gatekeepers, like Chomsky, against them.  The next episode of this series will include the fact that men like Chomsky are often severely limited by their so called "logic."   
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 03:37:58 PM »

The next episode of this series will include the fact that men like Chomsky are often severely limited by their so called "logic."   

Glad to hear it!  All the best, Giordano. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2009, 11:11:46 PM »

For a very long time I have searched for a way to explain to people why collectivism is bad. Excellent job!

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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 09:07:58 PM »

NetRanger, thanks for your kind feedback. I am editing the second installment at this very moment, and knowing that people liked the first one motivates me to get this next one done even faster!

Stay tuned, because part 2 is going to be even better. I'm sure of it.

Cheers brother :)
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 09:01:34 PM »

When the movie "The Matrix" came out, I had a strange attraction to it. I watched it at least 4 times the first month I had it on tape. I watched it a total of 18 times in the next year. It spoke to something deep inside. So far, I've seen this 4 times. If I had the time, I'd watch it again tonight. Each time, the reality of this world sinks in a little deeper.SD/SL speaks a language within it that my soul understands. It makes me realize, I have WAY more control over my existence and my life than any lying politician or greedy corporation. Somehow, it soothes the panic I feel at times when they are about to force CrapCare down my throat or try to legislate away the rights given to me by The Creator.

It gives me peace of mind.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 08:15:05 PM »

Hi all. First post to the forum...
I'm trying to watch the Sons of Drakness/SOL video but the music is soo load that it drowns out the narrative.  I can't hear what he is saying.
The articles are fantastic! The website is great. Top notch work you are obviously passionate about.
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Giordano
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 08:33:31 PM »

Hmm, we've never had that complaint before, but you can always try watching the You tube version here:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/tTAA5CIl2Ho" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/tTAA5CIl2Ho</a>

Its broken into three parts.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 10:07:56 PM »

 :744:Hi,
I just watched the collectivism movie. I could only find part 2. Is there a part 1?

Very good information.  When laid out like this its easy to see how the oligarchy has figured out how to control the 99% of masses. I see this in work place too. The new way of speaking of employees is "team member". Russia called it "comrade".
People that don't conform well in the work world are fired and called losers. The people that move up are not even the brightest with the best ideas, but those that do not make waves.

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 06:11:12 PM »

Congratulations on a superb video! I confess I am more comfortable learning by reading than by listening or watching. I read faster than I can watch. That probably just means I am a product of my times.

I grew up in a house full of books without electricity or TV. That does not mean that I am unaware of the magnificent power of images and symbols. On the contrary, I believe they are much more powerful than the written word. That power can obviously be used for good or evil. All I can hope is that you choose to use your talents wisely and never abuse them to deny human soverignty over the state..

Having a very young (sounding) narrator gives new meaning to Chomsky that could never be conveyed by reading. Combined with the images you chose,  it gives fresh relevance to his ideas. He doesn't seem so out of date.

One of the reasons our nation is in the mess we are in now is that those who deny the inalienable rights of the individual are much mnore adept at using imagry and symbolism than those who recognize it. I would like to help change that but don't know where to begin. Point me in the right direction, if you can.

Cordially,
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